CNIDR Isearch-cgi 1.20.06 (File: 36) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:50:04 -0400 From: Fred Chalfant To: FITZRANDOLPH-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: Subject: Re: Descent from Rollo (was Avicia, Wife of Geoffrey) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: "beloved-1@juno.com" > Date: August 5, 2006 10:58:38 PM EDT > To: FITZRANDOLPH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FR] Avicia, wife of Geoffrey > > > Can some one give me the lineage from Rolf to Edward Fitzrandolph > m. Elizebeth Blossom. I need to make sure I get the Richard's > right and the rest of the lineage correct from there. > Thanks for all your help, > Sheri Hillman > beloved-1@juno.com Sheri, There are four descents from Rollo to Edward FitzRandolph. One is rock solid and three have questions. I will list them in order of reliability Cheers, Fred Chalfant ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This the most well documented descent: 1. ROLLO - Duke of Normandy. Born about 846. Died 932. m.1 Poppa or Papie of Bayeaux. m.2 913 Gisela, daughter of King Charles of France (Note: both of his children were born before his marriage to Gisela.) 2. WILLIAM I "Longsword", Duke of Normandy. Born abt 900 Died 17 Dec 942. m. Sprota 3. RICHARD I "The Fearless", Duke of Normandy. Born 933 Died 20 Nov 996. 4. GEOFFROY DE BRIONNE, Count of Eu. Died abt 1015. 5. GILBERT, Count of Brionne and Eu. Died 1040 6. RICHARD, Lord of Clare and Tonbridge. Born 1035. Died 1090 m. Rohese Giffard 7. GILBERT FITZ RICHARD DE CLARE, Lord of Clare and Tonbridge. Born abt 1065. Died 1117. Married Adelize de Clermont ( a descendent of Hugues "Capet", King of France") 8. ALICE DE CLARE died abt 1163. Married Aubrey de Vere, Chamberlain of England 9. JULIANE DE VERE died aft 1185. Married Hugh Bigod 1st Earl of Norfolk. 10. ROGER BIGOD, 2nd Earl of Norfolk. Born before 1140. Died before 2 Aug 1221. Married Ida, probable daughter of Ralph de Toeni.(which would make her 2Ggrand daughter of Judith of Lens see below) 11. MARY BIGOD m. Ranulph Fitz Robert, of Middleham and Spennithorne. 12. Sir RANULPH FITZ RANULPH, of Spennithorne died before 1294. m. Bertrama, (Note: Ranulph's older brother Ralph inherited Middleham and married Anastasia de Percy) 13. RALPH FITZ RANULPH, of Spennithorne died before 1316 m. Tiphaine de Lascelles daughter of Roger 14. RANULF FITZ RALPH or DE LASCELLES, of Spennithorne born abt 1300 died after 1343. m. Isabel 15. JOHN FITZ RANULF, of Spennithorne born abt 1325 died bef 1369. married Maud de Campania 16. RANULF FITZ JOHN, of Spennithorne born abt 1345 died aft 1388. 17. Sir JOHN FITZ RANDOLPH, of Spennithorne born abt 1374 beheaded 1405. 18. Sir RALPH FITZ RANDOLPH, of Spennithorne etc. born abt 1398 died Jan 1457/8 m. Elizabeth 19. JOHN FITZ RANDOLPH, of Spennithorne born abt 1420 died 5 Mar 1474/5. m. Joan Conyers daughter of Thomas 20. JOHN FITZ RANDOLPH 21. CHRISTOPHER FITZ RANDOLPH, of Codnor and Langton Hall. born abt 1495 died before 26 Apr 1579 m. Joan, daughter and heiress of Cuthbert Langton of Langton Hall. 22. CHRISTOPHER FITZ RANDOLPH died bef 28 Jun 1588 23. EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH born abt 1565 died bef 13 Aug 1647 m. 17 Dec 1605 Frances Howls 24. EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH, Pilgrim. Married May 10, 1637, at Scituate Mass, to Elizabeth Blossom, daughter of Thomas and Anne Blossom. Moved to Piscataway, N.J., 1669. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This descent is based on the one in RD600. The problem with this descent is identifying Alice de Ros as a daughter of Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe and Eustace FitzHugh. Douglas Richardson in his Magna Carta Ancestry p.119 states William and Eustache had five daughters, but none were named Alice. 1. ROLLO - Duke of Normandy. Born about 846. Died 932. m.1 Poppa or Papie of Bayeaux. m.2 913 Gisela, daughter of King Charles of France (Note: both of his children were born before his marriage to Gisela.) 2. WILLIAM I "Longsword", Duke of Normandy. Born abt 900 Died 17 Dec 942. m. Sprota 3. RICHARD I "the Fearless", Duke of Normandy. Born 933 Died 20 Nov 996. 4. RICHARD II "the Good", Duke of Normandy. Died 28 Aug 1027. Married 1000 Judith of Brittany 5. ROBERT "the Devil", Duke of Normandy. Born abt 1000. Died 22 Jul 1035. Illegitimate issue by Harlette or Herleve 6. ADELA of Normandy. Died abt 1090. Married (1) Enguerrand II, Count of Ponthieu, (2) Lambert, Count of Lens, (3) Eudes II, Count of Troyes and Aumale 7. JUDITH of Lens. Born abt 1054. Died after 1086. ( Traditionally the daughter of Lambert though some more recently have argued that she is the daughter of Enguerrand) Married Waltheof II, Earl of Huntingdon, Northampton and Northumberland. 8. MAUD of Huntingdon died 1130/1131. Married 1113/1114 as her 2nd Husband, David I, King of Scotland 9. WILLIAM I "the Lion", King of Scotland. Born 1143. Died 4 Dec 1214. had an illegitimate child with a daughter of Richard Avenal 10. ISABEL of Scotland. Married Robert de Ros of Helmsley. 11. Sir WILLIAM DE ROS of Helmsley. Born before1200. Died abt 1264. Married Lucy FitzPiers 12. Sir WILLIAM DE ROS of Ingmanthorpe. Born abt 1240. Died before 28 May 1310. Married Eustache FitzHugh 13. ALICE DE ROS married Sir Geoffrey St. Quintin of Harpham 14. GEOFFREY ST. QUINTIN of Harpham married Margery Constable 15. Sir WILLIAM ST. QUINTIN of Harpham married Joan or Elizabeth de Thweng 16. Sir JOHN ST. QUINTIN of Harpham. Died 1397. Married Agnes Herbert 17. Sir ANTHONY ST. QUINTIN of Bradsburton. Died 1448. Married Elizabeth Gascoigne 18. MARGARET ST. QUINTIN (probably an illegitimate daughter by Margaret Swynho) married Sir John Conyers of Hornby 19. Sir CHRISTOPHER CONYERS of Hornby. Born abt 1380. Died after 1462. Married Ellen Rolleston 20. JOAN CONYERS Married JOHN Fitz Randolph, of Spennithorne 21. JOHN FITZ RANDOLPH 22. CHRISTOPHER FITZ RANDOLPH, of Codnor and Langton Hall. born abt 1495 died before 26 Apr 1579 m. Joan, daughter and heiress of Cuthbert Langton of Langton Hall. 23. CHRISTOPHER FITZ RANDOLPH died bef 28 Jun 1588 24. EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH born abt 1565 died bef 13 Aug 1647 m. 17 Dec 1605 Frances Howls 25. EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH, Pilgrim. Married May 10, 1637, at Scituate Mass, to Elizabeth Blossom, daughter of Thomas and Anne Blossom. Moved to Piscataway, N.J., 1669. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This descent is a revision of the error ridden page http:// john.rootsweb.com/FitzRandolph/f-line2.html. That page has so many errors I would recommend no one look at it. It hurts my brain when I do. This descent hinges on the idea not proven that the original Ribald of Middleham was an illegitimate son of Eudes I Count of Penthiève. 1. ROLLO - Duke of Normandy. Born about 846. Died 932. m.1 Poppa or Papie of Bayeaux. m.2 913 Gisela, daughter of King Charles of France (Note: both of his children were born before his marriage to Gisela.) 2. WILLIAM I "Longsword", Duke of Normandy. Born abt 900 Died 17 Dec 942. m. Sprota 3. RICHARD I "The Fearless", Duke of Normandy. Born 933 Died 20 Nov 996. 4. HAWISE of Normandy(by Gunnor). Died 21 Feb 1034. m. 996 Geoffrey I, Duke of Brittany (Havise was the the sister of Richard II "the Good", Duke of Normandy, father of Richard III and Robert "the Devil") 5. EUDES I, Count of Penthiève and Regent of Brittany. Born abt 1000 and Died 1079 Married Agnès de Cornouaille, daughter of Alan ------- I would like to see more documentation before I connect 5 & 6----------------- 6. RIBALD, of Middleham.m. Beatrice 7. RALPH, of Middleham born abt 1100. m. Agatha, daughter of the first Robert of Bruce. 8. ROBERT FITZ RALPH, of Middleham born 1145 died abt 1190. Who probably oversaw the contruction of the great keep at Middleham and married Hawise de Glanville. 9. RANULPH FITZ ROBERT, of Middleham and Spennithorne. Married Mary, daughter of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk. 10. Sir RANULPH FITZ RANULPH, of Spennithorne died before 1294. m. Bertrama, (Note: Ranulph's older brother Ralph inherited Middleham and married Anastasia de Percy) 11. RALPH FITZ RANULPH, of Spennithorne died before 1316 m. Tiphaine de Lascelles daughter of Roger 12. RANULF FITZ RALPH or DE LASCELLES, of Spennithorne born abt 1300 died after 1343. m. Isabel 13. JOHN FITZ RANULF, of Spennithorne born abt 1325 died bef 1369. married Maud de Campania 14. RANULF FITZ JOHN, of Spennithorne born abt 1345 died aft 1388. 15. Sir JOHN FITZ RANDOLPH, of Spennithorne born abt 1374 beheaded 1405. 16. Sir RALPH FITZ RANDOLPH, of Spennithorne etc. born abt 1398 died Jan 1457/8 m. Elizabeth 17. JOHN FITZ RANDOLPH, of Spennithorne born abt 1420 died 5 Mar 1474/5. m. Joan Conyers daughter of Thomas 18. JOHN FITZ RANDOLPH 19. CHRISTOPHER FITZ RANDOLPH, of Codnor and Langton Hall. born abt 1495 died before 26 Apr 1579 m. Joan, daughter and heiress of Cuthbert Langton of Langton Hall. 20. CHRISTOPHER FITZ RANDOLPH died bef 28 Jun 1588 21. EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH born abt 1565 died bef 13 Aug 1647 m. 17 Dec 1605 Frances Howls 22. EDWARD FITZ RANDOLPH, Pilgrim. Married May 10, 1637, at Scituate Mass, to Elizabeth Blossom, daughter of Thomas and Anne Blossom. Moved to Piscataway, N.J., 1669. ______________________________ ------------------------------